Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/13/2001 06:15 PM Senate FIN

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                              MINUTES                                                                                         
                     SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                 
                          March 13, 2001                                                                                      
                              6:15 PM                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
TAPES                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SFC-01 # 37,  Side A                                                                                                            
SFC 01 # 37,  Side B                                                                                                            
SFC 01 # 38,  Side A                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete  Kelly convened the meeting at approximately  6:15 PM.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dave Donley, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Jerry Ward, Vice Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Loren Leman                                                                                                             
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Wilken                                                                                                             
Senator Donald Olson                                                                                                            
Senator Alan Austerman                                                                                                          
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Also Attending: NICO BUS,  Administrative Services Manager, Division                                                          
of Support  Services, Department  of Military  and Veterans  Affairs                                                            
and Department  of Natural  Resources; PAT  POURCHOT, Commissioner,                                                             
Department  of  Natural  Resources;  ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,   Director,                                                            
Office  of Management  and  Budget, Office  of the  Governor;  LARRY                                                            
DIETRICK,  Director,  Division   of Spill   Prevention  &  Response,                                                            
Department of Environmental  Conservation; PATRICK GALVIN, Director,                                                            
Governmental  Coordination,  Office of  the Governor;  KEN  FREEMAN,                                                            
Special  Assistant Gasline  & Business  Development,  Office of  the                                                            
Governor;  WILSON  CONDON,  Commissioner,   Department  of  Revenue,                                                            
REMOND HENDERSON,  Director,  Division of  Administrative  Services,                                                            
Department of Labor & Workforce Development                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Attending via Teleconference:                                                                                                 
From  Anchorage:  HAROLD  RILEY,  Deputy  Director,  Installations,                                                             
Alaska  Army National  Guard, Department  of  Military and  Veterans                                                            
Affairs; KELLY  NICOLELLO, Assistant  State Fire Marshall,  Division                                                            
of Fire  Prevention,  Department of  Public Safety;  WILLIAM  BRITT,                                                            
State Gas  Pipeline Coordinator,  Department  of Natural  Resources;                                                            
JIM STRATTON, Director, Division of Parks & Outdoor Recreation,                                                                 
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY INFORMATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SB 29 - APPROP: GOVERNOR'S CAPITAL BUDGET                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
The Committee heard overviews of the Capital Budget from the                                                                    
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs and the Department of                                                               
Natural Resources.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     SENATE BILL NO. 29                                                                                                         
     "An Act making  capital appropriations and capitalizing  funds;                                                            
     making appropriations  under art. IX, sec. 17(c),  Constitution                                                            
     of the State of Alaska,  from the constitutional budget reserve                                                            
     fund; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Department of Military and Veterans Affairs                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Army Guard Facilities Deferred Maintenance,                                                                                
     $800,000                                                                                                                   
          $600,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                             
          $200,000 General Funds                                                                                                
     Reference No: 34009                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Deferred Maintenance                                                                                         
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2006                                                                           
     Deferred  Maintenance  and Scheduled Renewal  & Replacement  of                                                            
     the  Army Guard  Facilities  around  the State.  By  performing                                                            
     preventative  maintenance, The  Facilities Management  Division                                                            
     is able  to extend  the life expectancy  of various  buildings,                                                            
     components  and machinery.  The  preventative maintenance  also                                                            
     decreases  the possibility  of costly  emergency replacements.                                                             
     There  does come a time when  these items must be replaced  and                                                            
     thus fall  upon the backlog.  The average age of the  buildings                                                            
     for  the Alaska Army  National Guard is  28 years old as  of FY                                                            
     00. The oldest  buildings are Training Sites  at average age of                                                            
     34 years and State armories in a close second at 30 years.                                                                 
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
NICO BUS, Administrative Services Manager, Division of Support                                                                  
Services,   Department  of   Military  and   Veterans  Affairs   and                                                            
Department  of Natural Resources informed  the Committee  that there                                                            
are armories in  seventy-six communities in the state  and the needs                                                            
are for roof repairs and other key issues.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Facilities Spill Prevention and Countermeasures                                                                            
     $120,000                                                                                                                   
          $104,400 Federal Receipts                                                                                             
          $ 15,600 General Fund Match                                                                                           
     Reference No: 32563                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Health and Safety                                                                                            
     Category: Public Protection                                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2007                                                                           
     Any  facility  having  a  fuel  tank with  over  a  660  gallon                                                            
     capacity,  or  a total  combined  capacity over  1320  gallons,                                                            
     requires a Spill Prevention  Control and Countermeasures (SPCC)                                                            
     plan  under  the  Clean  Water Act.  These  plans  require  the                                                            
     signature  of a  licensed engineer,  and at  a minimum must  be                                                            
     reviewed  every three years. State and Military  Facilities are                                                            
     not exempt.                                                                                                                
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  reviewed the request  and explained  that each of  the SPCC                                                            
plans  costs  approximately  $5,000  and  the  Department  tries  to                                                            
complete plans for twenty-four  of the facilities each year. Mr. Bus                                                            
stated  that the  work is  required  and if  it were  not done,  the                                                            
Department would be penalized.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley  stated  these  are  relatively   small  tanks  and                                                            
inquired as to why it costs  $5,000 to develop a spill response plan                                                            
for each one,  in light of having already done several  other plans.                                                            
Co-Chair Donley  also inquired if  the private sector had  ever been                                                            
approached about doing the work.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
HAROLD  RILEY,  Deputy  Director,  Military  and  Veterans  Affairs,                                                            
testified  via teleconference  from  Anchorage and  informed that  a                                                            
local  private company,  Ogden  Environmental,  had  done the  prior                                                            
work, and historically, $5,000 per SPCC plan was the cost.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley   asked  if  the  project  had  gone   through  the                                                            
competitive bid process.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Riley replied  a Request for Proposals (RFP) had  been issued to                                                            
solicit local  contractors and the request included  a visit to each                                                            
location  to verify  the site  conditions.  He reiterated  that  the                                                            
plans  for each  site have  to be  updated  every three  years as  a                                                            
requirement of the Clean Water Act.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Donley commented  that the  cost seems  excessive to  him,                                                            
especially  if renewals  are  expected every  three  years for  each                                                            
site. He questioned  why a cost of  $5,000 was incurred if  the plan                                                            
was just being  renewed and if the RFP specified one  contractor for                                                            
all the sites.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Riley  replied yes, the  same contractor  did all the sites.  He                                                            
said the RFP was  issued every three years, with the  bid awarded by                                                            
the Federal Contracting  Office at Fort Richardson. Mr. Riley agreed                                                            
that the cost  seemed high, and that he "would like  to see the cost                                                            
come down."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly commented  that although  the state  match for  this                                                            
project is small,  there is still responsibility for  how that state                                                            
money is spent.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley commented  that the federal government could improve                                                            
the way  contracts are awarded,  but the state  could not really  do                                                            
anything to change that situation.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Bethel Readiness Center Planning and Design                                                                                
     $750,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 34848                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Public Protection                                                                                                
     Location: Bethel                                                                                                           
     Election District: Bethel, Dillingham                                                                                      
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2011                                                                           
     Funding is  required for the initial design of  a new Readiness                                                            
                                                                   nd                                                           
     Center   and  Organizational  Maintenance   Shop  for  the   2                                                             
     Battalion,  headquartered   in  Bethel.  Under  National  Guard                                                            
     Bureau  Regulation  415-12, The  Readiness  Center (previously                                                             
     referred  to as  an "Armory")  and  Organizational Maintenance                                                             
     Shop  (OMS) do  not meet the  minimum design  requirements  for                                                            
     these  types of  facilities.  The initial  design will  address                                                            
     architectural  and engineering services to include  preliminary                                                            
     site investigation and environmental assessment.                                                                           
     One-time project                                                                                                           
     Amendment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  informed that  the Bethel Readiness  Center is thirty-nine                                                             
years old  and could not  meet the needs of  the community.  He said                                                            
this  money  would  cover  the  costs  of  doing  an  environmental                                                             
assessment  and a preliminary site  investigation, which  would then                                                            
make  it eligible  for  federal  funds  for construction   of a  new                                                            
facility.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly commented  that  $750,000  for planning  and  design                                                            
seemed "steep."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Riley  responded  that the  last Military  and Veterans  Affairs                                                            
project  of this nature  cost $1.6  million. He  commented that  the                                                            
Bethel site conditions  are more reasonable and $750,000 would cover                                                            
this phase of the project.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman inquired as to the projected total cost.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Riley replied $12 million for construction.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green commented  that  this  request involved  all  general                                                            
funds, but there is reference to 75 percent federal funding.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  said that  he  understood  the 75  percent  federal                                                            
funding would apply to the actual costs of construction.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green agreed  that the federal  match would  be for  actual                                                            
construction  of the facility. She  inquired if it was "typical"  to                                                            
"front"  a project  like  this  with all  general  funds  or was  it                                                            
possible to receive a federal match at the initial stage.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus clarified  that the costs  of the initial site prep  on this                                                            
type of  project was funded  from general  funds. He continued  that                                                            
the construction was then  federally funded depending on the purpose                                                            
of the  facility. The Readiness  Facility  met one federal  matching                                                            
requirement,  while the operation  and maintenance  of the  facility                                                            
met a different federal matching requirement.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Riley  informed that  the construction  of the Bethel  Readiness                                                            
Center  would be  federally  funded  at 75  percent,  matched by  25                                                            
percent state funds. He  said that the Maintenance shop would be 100                                                            
percent federally  funded.  He clarified there  is no federal  match                                                            
for the  design of the  project as the federal  government  looks at                                                            
that as the "state's buy-in"  to get the project to a level where it                                                            
can be congressionally funded.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Donley  asked why the construction of this  Center was only                                                            
75 percent  federally  funded when  other projects  were 90  percent                                                            
federally funded.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus  clarified  that all  air/guard  projects  are  90  percent                                                            
federally  funded, army/guard  projects such  as a Readiness  Center                                                            
with a state mission  are 75 percent federally funded,  and training                                                            
sites are 100 percent federally funded.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Federal Scout Readiness Centers Energy Projects                                                                            
     $300,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: 32560                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Renovation and Remodeling                                                                                    
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2002 - 06/30/2007                                                                           
     Replace  doors, windows, insulate  floors and re-skin  roof and                                                            
     walls  with   insulating  panels  in  existing   Federal  Scout                                                            
     Readiness  Centers. The quick payback work is  done, and we are                                                            
     now  insulating  and  sealing  the  buildings  that  require  a                                                            
     complete  recovering of the exterior. Sites are  selected based                                                            
     on  number of  Guardsman at  the site,  the anticipated  energy                                                            
     savings  generated  by  the  upgrade,  and the  impact  of  the                                                            
     upgrade on future recruiting in the area.                                                                                  
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus said this project is 100 percent federally funded and is                                                                
intended to improve the energy efficiencies of the facilities.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Federal Scout Readiness Center Construction                                                                                
     $1,700,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                
     Reference No: 6913                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Construction                                                                                                 
     Category: Public Protection                                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2001                                                                           
     Construct  three  Federal  Scout  Readiness  Centers  per  year                                                            
     throughout  Alaska. Included in the Long Range  plan. Schedules                                                            
     are  -  Kipnuk, Newtok,  and  Mountain  Village  locations  are                                                            
     subject to change.                                                                                                         
     Phased project.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus summarized that the operations and maintenance of these                                                                 
centers would also be 100 percent federally funded.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska National Guard Counterdrug Support Program                                                                          
     $100,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: 31915                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Health and Safety                                                                                            
     Category: Public Protection                                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 6/30/2002                                                                            
     This  program participates  in the U.S.  Department of  Justice                                                            
     Forfeiture  Program. This federal program's primary  purpose is                                                            
     to deter  crime by depriving criminals of profits  and proceeds                                                            
     from their illegal activities.                                                                                             
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus recapped  this  is a  program  through which  "property  is                                                            
forfeited   or  repossessed  and   is  then  sold  with   the  funds                                                            
distributed  to participating  agencies  to  buy assets  to help  in                                                            
future operations."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Veterans' Housing and Health Needs Survey                                                                           
     $200,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 34767                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Housing/Social Services                                                                                          
     Location: Anchorage Areawide                                                                                               
     Election District: Anchorage Areawide                                                                                      
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2002                                                                           
     This  survey  by  the  Department   of Military   and  Veterans                                                            
     Affairs,  the  Department  of  Administration,   and  veterans'                                                            
     service organizations  establishes a comprehensive  approach to                                                            
     meeting the long-term  care needs for all Alaskan veterans. The                                                            
     survey  will  explore  use of  federal  funding to  improve  or                                                            
     expand Pioneer Homes,  establish regional clinics, and test new                                                            
     care  programs and cost  sharing. It  will also help  establish                                                            
     programs   that  allow  greater  flexibility   in  the  use  of                                                            
     veteran's   medical   benefits.   Results  will   help   define                                                            
     alternative strategies, needs and requirements.                                                                            
     One-time project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus commented that this project is strongly supported by the                                                                
Veteran's Administration. He noted that Alaska is one of the few                                                                
states that does not have a Veterans' home.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Department of Natural Resources                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Gas Pipeline Project                                                                                                       
     $10,242,800                                                                                                                
          $4,969,400 General Funds                                                                                              
          $5,273,400 Statutory Designated Funds                                                                                 
     Reference No: AMD34773                                                                                                     
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2003                                                                           
     This project  request summarizes  state actions to be  taken to                                                            
     facilitate  the  development  of  a pipeline  for  North  Slope                                                            
     natural gas.  Actions include initiating work  on issuing state                                                            
     rights-of-way;   collecting   data  for   permitting   reviews;                                                            
     development  of an overall project  labor agreement  to provide                                                            
     job  opportunities   for  Alaskans;  and  review  of  the  1977                                                            
     agreement   between   Canada  and   the  United   States,   and                                                            
     coordination  with  the  Canadians  to insure  a collaborative                                                             
     approach.                                                                                                                  
     Phased project                                                                                                             
     Amendment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PAT POURCHOT,  Commissioner, Department  of Natural Resources,  said                                                            
the development  of the natural  gas pipeline  involves a number  of                                                            
different state  agencies with a "common  goal" of anticipating  and                                                            
speeding  up the permitting  process for a  natural gasline  for the                                                            
"commercialization of Alaska's  North Slope gas." One of the focuses                                                            
is on reducing  the cost of that project and assisting  it in coming                                                            
online in approximately  2007. He detailed categories  of activities                                                            
such as a joint gasline  office which would coordinate pre-and-post-                                                            
application  work;  identification  of  necessary  skilled  workers;                                                            
possible "projects  gaps;" the conducting of studies  on such things                                                            
as the impact  of the gas  extraction on the  oil fields in  Prudhoe                                                            
Bay and  the amount  of  available gas  reserves  beyond the  proven                                                            
reserves; the  use of Alaska owned  "royalty" gas and how  it should                                                            
be marketed in  or outside of the state; filing of  the right-of-way                                                            
applications  that  would  trigger ongoing  work  by the  agency  in                                                            
direct  permitting  activities;  and working  with  a memorandum  of                                                            
understanding for reimbursable services.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  voiced  that it  is an  expectation that  much of  the                                                            
permitting  work would be reimbursed  as the applicant pays  most of                                                            
the costs of permitting.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot added that  the Department anticipated this fiscal year                                                            
to conduct some field work  on land-title work for right of ways and                                                            
to work with project  applications on the design of  facilities such                                                            
as pressure stations to best meet clean air quality standards.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman requested  clarification on the department handout                                                            
that combined  FY  01 and FY  02 figures.  He recounted  that  FY 01                                                            
reflected  a $1.96 million  budget and  twenty-three new  employees,                                                            
whereas, FY 02 reflects  another $4.9 million and another fifty-five                                                            
more employees.  He wished to clarify that the approved  FY 01 funds                                                            
were shifted  to FY 02  so that together  they totaled $6.9  million                                                            
and seventy-eight new employees.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pourchot  replied  that all  the  budget  requests are  in  the                                                            
original supplemental requests  for FY 01. He said that some funding                                                            
requests  became part  of the fast-track  and some  remained  in the                                                            
regular request.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE  MCCONNELL,  Director,  Office  of  Management  and  Budget,                                                            
Office of  the Governor,  commented that some  of the current  staff                                                            
positions  in the  Department  are funded  from other  sources.  She                                                            
clarified   that  what  the  department   proposed  in  the   FY  01                                                            
supplemental,  in some cases was to  use existing staff but  to fund                                                            
them  with general  funds if  their current  fund  source would  not                                                            
allow  them to  work  on a  different project.  She  explained  that                                                            
someone who worked  full-time on a federal project  might be shifted                                                            
to  the  gasline  project  and would,  therefore,  not  be  able  to                                                            
continue being federally funded.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell commented  that the positions listed are new positions                                                            
that had been originally requested as part of the supplemental.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  mentioned that he  had attended a recent  hearing at                                                            
which it was stated that  the gasline plan, route, and permits would                                                            
be in place  by the end  of the year. He  conveyed it appeared  that                                                            
most people thought  that was a worthy goal, but wondered  if it was                                                            
possible. He asked what  happens to the money if there is not a plan                                                            
or a route other than the highway route is suggested.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pourchot  said  that  the  Department   thinks  that  the  pre-                                                            
application work  being proposed will be valuable  and necessary for                                                            
the permits and does not  view any of it "wasted work or effort." He                                                            
continued that  the timing is hard to anticipate.  The Department is                                                            
targeting December, but it could be January or February.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot stated  the Department has included a  provision for an                                                            
additional  funding  source if  the  "reimbursable  status" was  not                                                            
reached  by the projected  date. He  continued that  the timing  was                                                            
"kind of a best guess at  this stage" and acknowledged that there is                                                            
a window for a "cost tolerance  level" that might be a factor on the                                                            
project ever coming to fruition.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  described two other  route alternatives that  had been                                                            
studied.  He stated  one was  a stand-alone  liquefied  natural  gas                                                            
(LNG)  pipeline  that  would  go  overland  to tidewater;   however,                                                            
timing,  available  markets, and  price do  not support  that  route                                                            
although  a lot  of the  current permitting  work  would apply.  The                                                            
other  route,  he  said  was  the  "Over-the-Top   route"  that  the                                                            
Department also  did not think was viable "in terms  of economics or                                                            
permitting," particularly  if delays in permitting are figured in as                                                            
a factor of  cost. He detailed that  the "Over the Top route"  would                                                            
involve such  things as 300  miles of buried  pipeline; an  advanced                                                            
high pressure pipe system;  and environment issues that would result                                                            
in a "long  complex permitting process  involving a lot of  national                                                            
interests well  beyond the borders of Alaska." He  opined that these                                                            
factors could  prohibit this route  from being a "viable,  realistic                                                            
option."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  indicated that the  Department is trying to  have its                                                            
agencies  effectively  respond  to  all  groups  that  are  actively                                                            
pursuing various  projects, and the addition of the  gasline project                                                            
has increased  the  already busy  workload. She  commented that  all                                                            
project  groups,  including the  gasline  entities,  are asking  the                                                            
department  to  meet,  consult,  and  work  with  them  through  the                                                            
permitting requirements.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  stressed the  work is valuable  as it helps  move the                                                            
state  forward  in  the gasline  project.  She  informed  that  when                                                            
putting  together the cost  estimate for  the work-fund application                                                             
period  beginning  December  one, the  Department  staffing  request                                                            
assumes  there would  only be one  application for  the gasline.  If                                                            
there  is more  than one  application,  she stated,  the  department                                                            
would  not  have enough  staff  to  aggressively  pursue  "expedited                                                            
action on more  than one front" and  would have to come back  to the                                                            
Legislature  to inform  them  there was  more work  involved in  the                                                            
process than anticipated.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  McConnell  commented  that  the  Department  is  already  in  a                                                            
"multiple  pre-applicant  situation"  because  of  all  the  various                                                            
groups getting  a "jump-start" on  assessing what would be  required                                                            
in order to meet  state requirements. She reiterated  the department                                                            
is trying  to meet the  current demand as  well as being  "proactive                                                            
with state obligations  to study issues of concern that are of state                                                            
policy matter."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  voiced the  need  for the  Committee  to "stop  and                                                            
think"  about putting  into place  seventy-eight  new employees  and                                                            
committing $7  million of the "people's money." His  concern is that                                                            
by December,  the project might not  be at the point the  Department                                                            
had anticipated,  and the state would  have a "team with  no game to                                                            
play." He urged the Committee  to consider having a contingency plan                                                            
to address  the possibility  of delays  because  of "the route",  or                                                            
"negotiating  a position,  or a myriad  of other  reasons" that  may                                                            
present  a lengthier  process.  He  stressed  that he  supports  the                                                            
project, but  this is a "huge project  to process in seven  months."                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  clarified that the seventy-eight employees  would all                                                            
be "project  staff," and there is  "a mechanism within the  state to                                                            
hire people for the term  of the project" and those people "would go                                                            
away" "if there is nothing productive for them to do."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell voiced concern  about the "timing with the legislative                                                            
session" and the  need to assure an applicant that  once the process                                                            
has started  it would  be supported  throughout  the year. She  said                                                            
that this  does not  mean that the  Department  could not come  back                                                            
before the  Legislature and readdress  some of the issues  or submit                                                            
periodic updates to the Legislature in the interim.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  commented that the Department feels  in many respects                                                            
that the  current cost  projection to  the state  may be on  the low                                                            
side when "measuring  a project of this magnitude  that may bring in                                                            
a couple  of a hundred  million dollars  a year  to the state."  She                                                            
continued  that the benefits  to the state  might warrant a  'higher                                                            
investment"  to make  sure  the state  "is doing  it  right" in  all                                                            
aspects. She detailed additional items that could be addressed.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot added  that the seventy-eight staffing  positions would                                                            
not all  come online July  1. He supported  the need to develop  and                                                            
staff a  core office early  this next fiscal  year with other  staff                                                            
being phased  in as needed during  the FY 02 fiscal year,  depending                                                            
on  "judgment,  activity,  and expectation  as  to  when  and if  an                                                            
application would be forthcoming."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman wondered,  given the end of the year timeframe the                                                            
industry  has  shown an  interest  in,  if it  is  conceivable  that                                                            
permits  could  be  issued  by  the end  of  the  year,  before  the                                                            
Legislature is back in session.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  replied that the permits  could be applied  for by the                                                            
end of the year, but it  would be unlikely for a permit to be issued                                                            
by that time.  He said there are a lot of different  permits and the                                                            
process  of bringing  them  all together  in a  consolidated  permit                                                            
would increase  the speed  of the process,  however, the  department                                                            
"still feels"  that the process would take eighteen  months from the                                                            
time the formal  application was submitted.  "Eighteen months  would                                                            
be fast," he noted.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pourchot  commented  that  the  planned  processing  model  was                                                            
utilized during the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline System (TAPS) application                                                            
and  construction   oversight.  In  response  to  Senator   Wilkens'                                                            
question,  Mr. Pourchot said  the state had  more than seventy-five                                                             
people  employed just  for  TAPS permitting  and  oversight and  the                                                            
federal government  had another  hundred people  or so. He  stressed                                                            
that the process is a "major undertaking."                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  asked whether full-time  or part-time  status for                                                            
"project staff"  affected the "when their job is done,  their job is                                                            
done" provision.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mrs. McConnell  replied that  a project may  last a couple  of years                                                            
and staff  was  told when  hired, that  their position  was for  the                                                            
length of  the project only.  She clarified  that this did  not mean                                                            
that the state would end  all the seventy-eight positions at the end                                                            
of FY 02 as there  would still be a requirement to  have some people                                                            
on board during  the construction phase to monitor  the permits that                                                            
were issued.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly asked for  "a best guess for  turning dirt"  on this                                                            
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot responded  that the Department is hoping to "turn dirt"                                                            
within two years, although  this is dependant on when an application                                                            
comes in.  He continued  that the  outline for  up-front work  would                                                            
help  bridge  the  gap  between  permitting  time  of approximately                                                             
eighteen  months and the  date of application,  giving the  "state a                                                            
jump on the required permitting time."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly commented  that  two years  to start-up  time  seems                                                            
"almost  a year  too early."  He  inquired if  there  was any  other                                                            
structural  piece that  needed to  be discussed  in addition  to the                                                            
studies,  the establishing  of  a pipeline  office,  and the  actual                                                            
activity that takes place once the permit had been applied for.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  replied that  there is a fourth  element to  consider,                                                            
but it  falls outside the  typical reimbursement  kind of  activity.                                                            
This  element,  he  stated,  is  the  "contact  and  development  of                                                            
Memorandums of Understanding  (MOU) with other entities" such as the                                                            
federal government.  He clarified that the federal  government would                                                            
have an equal  roll and a structure similar to the  one the state is                                                            
proposing. He  said the state would be doing a lot  of work with the                                                            
federal  agencies to  set up  the gasline  project,  similar to  the                                                            
current joint  oil pipeline office,  and to write up Memorandums  of                                                            
Understanding.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  informed that there  would be a whole set of  Canadian                                                            
counterparts with  whom the state would work. He listed  some of the                                                            
Canadian agencies that would be involved.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot anticipated  there being both legal and  advocacy rolls                                                            
for Alaska  in Congress, and "perhaps  in court" if something  comes                                                            
into play that falls outside  of the direct permitting work "that is                                                            
pretty vital to the process."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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Mr. Pourchot continued  that there is a public process  as well.  He                                                            
informed that  the Department has set up an advisory  policy council                                                            
that  has been  charged  with  soliciting  public  input  in a  more                                                            
formalized way and to "make  recommendations that are of the kind of                                                            
things that  Alaskans are interested  in and would benefit  from the                                                            
project."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot summarized  that he would group all the work associated                                                            
with these external groups into a separate category.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly clarified  that there are actually four parts to this                                                            
project if the external group category is included.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  referred to Co-Chair  Kelly's comment that  the state                                                            
was anticipating  the start  up of the gasline  project a "year  too                                                            
early." She  voiced concern that Alaska  was actually not  geared up                                                            
enough as this stage.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell informed  that the North American Natural Gas Pipeline                                                            
Group has  developed  a list of  activities they  believe the  state                                                            
needs to  do in order for  efficient interaction  between the  state                                                            
and their group. She said  the list details each state agency and an                                                            
assessment  of tasks  for each agency.  She pointed  out that  these                                                            
assessments  match up with  the kinds of  tasks that state  agencies                                                            
have outlined.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  validated that "yes,  it may seen early" because  the                                                            
state  has  not  arrived  at  a  decision  as  to  what  the  actual                                                            
application  will look like; however,  from a business perspective,                                                             
this is a "very intensive  time as they try to figure out what their                                                            
options  are  and  what  their  best  course   of  action  is,"  and                                                            
ultimately whether they want to file a permit with the state.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell reiterated  the Department needed to be able to handle                                                            
the workload expectations  of both other departments and businesses.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  stressed that this  is a capital project,  and that                                                            
this budget  request is the "best  guess" by the administration  for                                                            
the  FY 01  supplemental  and the  proposed  budget for  FY 02,  and                                                            
"could flow  into" FY 03.  He supported the  goal of being  ready as                                                            
"critical,"  and concurred the money  to support this process  would                                                            
not be "wasted."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  asked whether  it was the  government of Canada  or                                                            
the governments  of British  Columbia and  the Yukon Territory  that                                                            
were  going  through  the same  sort  of  budgetary  discussions  as                                                            
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pourchot  informed   that  he  had  recently   attended  a  gas                                                            
conference  in  Calgary and  had  met with  officials  from  various                                                            
departments   of  the  Canadian   government.   He  recounted   that                                                            
approximately  five Canadian  departments are  actively involved  in                                                            
the  formulating  of the  policy  decisions.  He stated  that  these                                                            
departments would  be "floating a policy paper" to  the full cabinet                                                            
of the  Canadian federal  government within  the next few weeks.  He                                                            
informed that this paper  involves routing and other things that the                                                            
Canadian agencies  want to see from a gas project.  Mr. Pourchot did                                                            
not think the  Canadians were at the  budgetary part of the  process                                                            
but there was "keen interest"  in the gasline project at the cabinet                                                            
level.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM  BRITT, State Pipeline  Coordinator,  Department of  Natural                                                            
Resources, testified via  teleconference from Anchorage and outlined                                                            
his Department's  involvement in the gasline process  as the portion                                                            
of the work that "prepares  to receive an application, responds to a                                                            
request from a proponent,  and puts into place actions that might be                                                            
related to state policy  creation or implementation." He stated that                                                            
the "second and third areas  are the ones that are becoming more and                                                            
more acute."  He reported  that the Department  is having "more  and                                                            
more interaction"  with both consultants  and producers groups.  Mr.                                                            
Britt supported  Ms. McConnell's comments about the  expectations of                                                            
private industry and the  fact that they would be at the doorstep of                                                            
every state agency that does authorizations for gas pipelines.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Britt  referred  to the  private industry  list  of permits  the                                                            
industry anticipated doing  in the summer of 2001 that Ms. McConnell                                                            
had shared with the Committee.  He said that permits would be issued                                                            
soon because the industry  needs the permits in order to perform the                                                            
fieldwork to proceed with the gasline project.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Britt said the Department  was receiving requests from the Yukon                                                            
government and  the Yukon First Nation to begin coordination  of the                                                            
processes  and to  exchange information  and  procedure intents.  At                                                            
this point,  Mr. Britt stressed,  he did not  have the resources  to                                                            
respond to  requests either from "project  proponents or  from other                                                            
governmental entities for coordination and consultation."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  requested the Committee to not delve  into specifics                                                            
since there was a lot of  information presented and which would need                                                            
more time  to be studied.  He asked if there  were any questions  on                                                            
overall structure of the proposal.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mrs. McConnell  informed there were  a few individuals available  to                                                            
testify at  this time who  might not be available  at a later  time.                                                            
She  asked  the  Committee  if  these  people   could  present  some                                                            
information  on items that might be  different in FY 02 as  compared                                                            
to FY 01  and to share  information on the  anticipated workflow  of                                                            
the departments.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  agreed  that  would  be  valuable  information  and                                                            
directed that  the spreadsheet that  had all the departments  listed                                                            
would be a good place to start the discussion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LARRY  DIETRICK,   Director,  Division   of  Spill  Prevention   and                                                            
Response,  Department   of  Environmental  Conservation,   presented                                                            
environmental  issues in brief context. He stated  that the Division                                                            
was using a  philosophy similar to  that used when the oil  pipeline                                                            
was being addressed. He  stated that the state's charge at that time                                                            
was to  provide  certainly on  the project  cost  estimate based  on                                                            
environmental   requirements.  He   recounted  that  the   financial                                                            
requirement  projections  arrived at  in 1982 for  the oil  pipeline                                                            
project  based on  a price of  $26 per  barrel for  crude oil  and 8                                                            
percent  interest rates  and  a 90  percent design  completion  cost                                                            
estimate.  He stressed  that cost  estimates and  the evaluation  of                                                            
environmental uncertainties were very important.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dietrick informed that without an advanced design system and                                                                
completed project cost details resulting from rigorous planning,                                                                
design and environmental review, the ability to gain the                                                                        
confidence of the financial community for necessary loans was                                                                   
questionable. He stressed that lessons learned from the three                                                                   
years it took  to construct of the  Trans Alaska Pipeline  System to                                                            
when oil started to flow through the pipeline in July 1977 was                                                                  
invaluable. He informed that the last review of the project                                                                     
started in 1978 so experiences were "fresh" in the reviewers'                                                                   
minds." He reiterated that cost overruns were a "very big                                                                       
component of the planning" that went into the gasline review.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dietrick  explained that there  were three key components  built                                                            
into the review:  a design criteria  manual which includes  a set of                                                            
twenty-six comprehensive  environmental plans that  cover everything                                                            
from  construction  methodologies   to best  management   practices;                                                            
proximity  of the gasline  to the oil-line;  and a whole permit  and                                                            
authorization   strategy.   He   stated   that   incorporating   the                                                            
environmental  planning  upfront  into  the  design  and  permitting                                                            
strategy  would  avoid  permitting  problems  and provide  a  higher                                                            
certainty  of cost and  confidence that  any environmental  problems                                                            
encountered  would not result  in a cost  overrun. He stressed  that                                                            
once  a three-year  construction  project  involving  10,000  people                                                            
working the  field anytime  the project is  shut down, it becomes  a                                                            
very expensive delay.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dietrick remarked that  if plans, procedures and methods were in                                                            
place,  delays caused  by such things  as fuel  spills from  leaking                                                            
joints and  the avoidance  of contamination  from, and the  disposal                                                            
of, hazardous substances would be lessened.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Dietrick  detailed  several  other  examples   of preventative                                                             
planning situations,  including spill  containments and proper  site                                                            
selection.  He stressed that  by anticipating  these situations  "up                                                            
front,"  project developers  could have  strategies for permitting,                                                             
construction procedures,  disposal plans, and other necessary things                                                            
incorporated into  the project costs to ensure that  there would not                                                            
be cost overruns.  He mentioned that Foothills Pipeline  Company has                                                            
been supplied a copy of the review.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Dietrick  estimated that  four people would  be assigned  to the                                                            
spill  prevention response  division.  He stated  that these  people                                                            
would  be engaged  in  spill  prevention  planning and  focusing  on                                                            
contaminated  sites.  He reiterated  that spill  prevention,  design                                                            
facilities and measures,  fuel systems and secondary containment can                                                            
be built into system up  front to avoid problems in clean up, spills                                                            
and slowdowns,  response  contingency plans  and same for  chemicals                                                            
and  hazardous waste.  He  stated  that these  types  of things  are                                                            
covered  in the  review  and  that Foothills  Pipeline  Company  has                                                            
fairly  comprehensive plans  in place  and would  be updating  those                                                            
plans.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mrs. McConnell  informed that the Department of Fish  and Game would                                                            
be dealing  with  the same  kind of  preliminary  planning that  the                                                            
Department of Environmental  Conservation is doing, and unless there                                                            
were specific questions  for Fish and Game, the department would not                                                            
be making a presentation at this time.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PATRICK  GALVIN, Director,  Governmental Coordination,  shared  some                                                            
concern  with  FY 02  issues  that  involved  overlapping  authority                                                            
between  the  federal  and  state  governments.   He  stressed  that                                                            
determining what permits  are going to be needed and when they would                                                            
be  needed  would require  detailed  discussions  with  the  project                                                            
proponents. He  said that preparing for this sequencing  would speed                                                            
up the process.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KELLY NICOLELLO,  Assistant  State Fire Marshall,  Division  of Fire                                                            
Prevention,   Department    of   Public   Safety,   testified    via                                                            
teleconference  from Anchorage and  informed that the FY  02 capital                                                            
budget request  included the  request for the  Division to  hire two                                                            
full time positions:  one to coordinate activities  and the other to                                                            
oversee building  construction permits.  He shared that not  getting                                                            
the  funding for  these staffers  would  cause delay  in  processing                                                            
permits.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mrs.  McConnell  informed  that the  nature  of  the work  that  the                                                            
Department  of Transportation and  Public Facilities would  be doing                                                            
in FY 02 is a continuation of the FY 01 work activities.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot explained  that in the Department of  Natural Resources                                                            
FY  02 budget,  there  is need  for  staffers  to work  on  projects                                                            
involving the  development of mapping tools as well  as the need for                                                            
other people to review  permits. He informed this work would include                                                            
land titling,  mapping and the identification of geological  hazards                                                            
not only  for the  pipeline, but  also for  compressor stations  and                                                            
hydrology  work  with  regards  to construction   activities,  water                                                            
resources,  and archeological work  that would be required  for site                                                            
clearance work and construction activities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman inquired  as to  where the  Pipeline Coordinators'                                                             
office would be located.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  responded that  it is anticipated  to be in  Anchorage                                                            
with the  existing pipeline  office, although  the space  assessment                                                            
has yet to be done.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wilken  clarified  that  the  location  of  the  office  is                                                            
therefore still open for discussion.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  agreed that the location  of the office would  be open                                                            
for discussion.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
General discussion  ensued as to possible  locations of the  office.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mrs. McConnell  asked Mr. Britt to expand on any differences  to the                                                            
scope of work  for the pipeline office beyond the  FY 01 activities.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Britt  replied the  differences  fall  into  three categories:                                                             
preparing  to receive an  application; responding  to requests  from                                                            
proponents;  and other actions  relating to  policies. He said  that                                                            
most focus  is on  the first  of these  and not the  second two.  He                                                            
informed that the major  difference in the FY 02 verses FY 01 budget                                                            
is  that  the   Department  expects   to  receive  and  process   an                                                            
application. He voiced  concern that the interaction with proponents                                                            
and federal and state governments  is increasing, but the Department                                                            
is "not  ahead of the curve  but are steadily  dropping behind."  He                                                            
stressed  that even if  the Department  had the  money now,  that he                                                            
would not be able  to get the people hired in order  to do the work.                                                            
He stated  that recruitment  is going  to be  challenging and  would                                                            
involve  a time  lag. He  informed that  he has  recently lost  some                                                            
valuable staffers to private industry.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wilken  asked Mr. Britt if  Alaska was behind the  Canadians                                                            
in this  process, and if  so, was it because  the Canadian  McKenzie                                                            
River Delta Pipeline  would be built, regardless of  what happens in                                                            
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Britt said  he has not talked with the Canadians  recently about                                                            
that project,  but  anticipated resuming  talks  with the  Canadians                                                            
within the next few months.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mrs. McConnell  informed that  the Alaska  Oil and Gas Conservation                                                             
Commission (AOGCC) did  not have a FY 01 request, but does have a FY                                                            
02 request,  however no one was available  from AOGCC to  testify at                                                            
this time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  informed that one of  AOGCC's area of involvement  was                                                            
the study  on the impacts  of gas extractions  from the Prudhoe  Bay                                                            
oil reservoir.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
KEN   FREEMAN,   Special  Assistant   for   Business   and   Gasline                                                            
Development,  Office of the  Governor informed  the Committee,  that                                                            
$300,000   of  the  $535,000   FY  02  appropriation   is   for  the                                                            
continuation   of  the   Cambridge  Contract   with  the   remainder                                                            
designated  for the Alaska  Highway Natural  Gas Policy Council  and                                                            
its work. He informed that  at an organizational meeting in March of                                                            
this year,  six subcommittees  were established  to look at:  Alaska                                                            
hire; best  use of state royalty shares;  federal and international                                                             
interaction that is in  place or needs to be in place; access to gas                                                            
and instate consumption;  other opportunities and markets for Liquid                                                            
Natural  Gas (LNG);  and  value item  processing  and environmental                                                             
concerns.   He  informed   that  the   goal  of   all  six   council                                                            
subcommittees  is  to  have  a  final  product,   in  written  form,                                                            
                                              th                                                                                
presented  to  the  Governor  by November  30    detailing  specific                                                            
recommendations  on how  to best maximize  the benefits  of the  gas                                                            
pipeline for  the people of the state  as well as to conduct  public                                                            
hearings   around  the  state   to  get   the  public's  views   and                                                            
perspectives on how to  best move forward with the pipeline project.                                                            
He said  that two educational  workshops  were scheduled within  the                                                            
next month  with presentations detailing  the various types  of work                                                            
involved with the pipeline project.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman asked where those meetings would be held.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Freeman  responded that both meetings  would be in Anchorage  at                                                            
the Sheraton  Hotel  and that both  educational  workshops would  be                                                            
teleconferenced statewide.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  explained that the Department of Law's  role in FY 02                                                            
was a position  of support to the agencies and a continuation  of FY                                                            
01 activities.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
WILSON CONDON,  Commissioner, Department of Revenue,  explained that                                                            
his Department  would be continuing the same activities  in FY 02 as                                                            
in FY 01.  He gave an overview  of the FY  02 monetary breakout  and                                                            
specified that  the Department's current mode-of-operation  is based                                                            
on  established   policies  pertaining  to  the  oil   business.  He                                                            
commented that  the Legislature might want to make  some adjustments                                                            
to these  policies,  particularly  concerning the  tax structure  to                                                            
better maximize the public benefit.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Condon  indicated  that  some travel  might  be  necessary  for                                                            
Department staff when working with contractors and consultants.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Condon detailed his  communications with the Canadian government                                                            
concerning considerations  involved in the-over-the-top route or the                                                            
highway route.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ward asked if Canada  was planning on utilizing a portion of                                                            
the gas from this project to supply the people in that region?                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Condon speculated that would be the case.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Ward concurred that was his understanding.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Condon  reviewed  the agreement  between the  United States  and                                                            
Canada in  the late 1970's  and early 1980's  that specified  that a                                                            
certain  amount of gas  would be  supplied to  Whitehorse and  other                                                            
small  communities along  the pipeline  in the  Yukon Territory.  He                                                            
said he would  be "very surprised" if the Canadians  did not ask for                                                            
that condition again in this project.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  asked  Mr.  Pourchot  for  a  breakdown  of  the                                                            
projected $5.273 million  in receipts from the statutory designation                                                            
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  replied  all the receipts  come from  one source,  the                                                            
project applicants, who  pay into a fund that is segregated from the                                                            
general fund  for reimbursable  service agreement  or a MOU  with an                                                            
applicant or a  sponsor program that reimburses different  programs.                                                            
He said these  receipts are a monthly detailing of  expenses and are                                                            
"an accounting and bookkeeping system unto itself."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman,  referring to page  20 of the handout, asked  about                                                            
the  $1  million  appropriation  that  may  be  requested  to  cover                                                            
shortfalls;  specifically why it was  so high given the information                                                             
that the Department  was going to receive $5.2 million  is Statutory                                                            
Designated Program Receipts.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  responded  this number  was based  on the  assumption                                                            
that starting  December first,  the Department  would be in  a fully                                                            
reimbursable  position;   however,  the  Legislature  would  not  be                                                            
available at  that time to approve  a supplemental. She stated  that                                                            
if the  Department  needed to continue  functioning  until the  time                                                            
that they  had an application,  the Department  had to be sure  that                                                            
they did not end  up with "a couple of months hiatus"  due to a lack                                                            
of funding.  She continued  that wherever  possible, the  Department                                                            
was  going  to seek  Memorandums  of  Understanding  with  potential                                                            
applicants in  advance to do some of the work, and  if they are able                                                            
to negotiate  for some  reimbursement of  expenditures prior  to the                                                            
time of  application, the  Department is going  to pursue that.  She                                                            
summarized  that  currently, the  Department  is unsure  that  would                                                            
happen so  this request,  to be used  only if  needed, "was  just to                                                            
bridge that time" until the legislature got back in session.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green  referred  to the  first  page  of the  handout  that                                                            
specified  that the information  in the  report included  initiating                                                            
work  on rights  of way,  permitting  reviews and  development,  and                                                            
overall project  labor agreements  to provide jobs opportunities  to                                                            
Alaskans. She asked where  the labor agreement information was as it                                                            
is not addressed in the report.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  responded that there  was an error in the drafting  of                                                            
the document and clarified  that the labor budget would only include                                                            
identification  of laborers, training  needs and performance  of the                                                            
market  assessment for  what skills  would be  necessary. He  stated                                                            
that a direct work product  was beyond the scope of his Department's                                                            
work, and would  fall under the auspice  of the Department  of Labor                                                            
and Workforce Development                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  informed that the Department  of Labor and  Workforce                                                            
Development  is responsible  for  doing whatever  they  can to  have                                                            
Alaskans hired  and given the necessary  training to meet  the needs                                                            
of Alaska business.  She reiterated that is the Department  of Labor                                                            
and Workforce Development's overall mission.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green wondered  if that mission  was not  different  from a                                                            
project labor agreement.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly  supported  Senator  Green's  observation  that  the                                                            
report  did  not include  anything  further  on  the  project  labor                                                            
agreement.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  asked that the reference  to the Labor agreements  on                                                            
the front page  of the report be corrected  to reflect the  contents                                                            
of the report.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REMOND HENDERSON,  Director of Administrative  Services,  Department                                                            
of Labor and  Workforce Development,  asked Senator Green  to repeat                                                            
her question.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green referred  to the first page information of the summary                                                            
regarding  development  of an  overall  project labor  agreement  to                                                            
provide job opportunities  for Alaskans. She stated  that in looking                                                            
through the Department  of Labor and Workforce Development's  budget                                                            
summary about the amount  designated for the Department, she did not                                                            
see anything  about  a project  labor agreement.  She  asked what  a                                                            
project labor agreement was and if that work was being done.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Henderson  replied that  the funds his  department had  budgeted                                                            
for do  not deal  with a  labor agreement,  but  concentrate on  the                                                            
training aspects,  research and analysis of occupational  needs, and                                                            
a liaison to communities  to coordinate outreach to  communities and                                                            
labor organizations.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Green  asked for correction  to the text on page  one of the                                                            
Gas Pipeline Project  to correctly reflect that the  Labor agreement                                                            
is not included.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly replied that this could be done.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman voiced support for a correction to be made.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. McConnell  affirmed that the Department would  review the report                                                            
and make sure that the backup was correctly reflected.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pourchot  informed   that  he  would  like  to   bring  to  the                                                            
Committee's  attention   that  over  the  last  several  years,  his                                                            
Department  has been able to absorb  some serious budget  reductions                                                            
only  because  of the  use  information  technology  funding  coming                                                            
through federal and state  capital improvement dollars, and not from                                                            
funding  through   the  operating  budget.  He  asserted   that  the                                                            
Department  has concentrated  on building up  their system  piece by                                                            
piece, and streamlining their processes.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  stressed that  the Department  has gotten information                                                             
into the system  and available to  the public and users using  a web                                                            
system by  using a  tried and true  but old system  called the  Land                                                            
Administration  System  (LAS).  He  expressed  that the  system  and                                                            
software is  really dated now, and  he would like to address  having                                                            
the system upgraded. He  detailed the requested software can pull up                                                            
a section  of a map  of Alaska  and with "pop-up's"  will show  such                                                            
things as right of ways and other useful reference information.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SFC 01 # 38, Side A 07:49 PM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  interrupted to comment,  for the good of  the order,                                                            
that the information Mr.  Pourchot was sharing was not in the backup                                                            
material, but had been  covered in a previous Information Technology                                                            
report. He thanked  Mr. Pourchot for his good explanation  and asked                                                            
him to please continue if he wished.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  acknowledged Co-Chair  Kelly comments and moved  on to                                                            
review other projects.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Oil   and   Gas  Royalties   Accounting-Industry   Electronics                                                             
     Reporting                                                                                                                  
     $150,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 33974                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Public Support Technology/Service                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2002                                                                           
     Currently the system automatically processes oil and gas                                                                   
     royalty  reports using electronic  data interface format.  Each                                                            
     month  approximately 400  reports are  filed, accompanied  with                                                            
     approximately   1,000  pages  of supplemental   documents  that                                                            
     explain  a  royalty  payer's  reasons for  changes  in  royalty                                                            
     filing. This  project automates the delivery  and processing of                                                            
     the supplemental  documents and  would capture the information                                                             
     in a standardized format.                                                                                                  
     One-time project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  explained that the Department  recently installed  the                                                            
same  computerized  billing  system  that oil  producers  and  lease                                                            
holders use  for the tracking  of royalty  information required  for                                                            
state needs. He acknowledged  that having the same system as private                                                            
industry  has worked very  well, but unfortunately,  the  department                                                            
still got  about a thousand  pages of supplemental  documents  along                                                            
with the royalty reports.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He explained this project  is to develop a unified electronic format                                                            
that the industry and the  state would use that would electronically                                                            
submit  all the  supplemental  information  along with  the  monthly                                                            
royalty reports.  He stressed that this would "save  everybody time,                                                            
effort and money."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Seismic  Data Acquisition  and  Interpretation  To Promote  Oil                                                            
     Exploration and Leasing                                                                                                    
     $138,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 33977                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2006                                                                           
     State  of  Alaska  statutes and  regulations  require  oil  and                                                            
     exploration companies  to submit geophysical data acquired from                                                            
     state  lands under Multiple Land  Use Permits to the  division.                                                            
     The state  is required to pay the permittees  for only the cost                                                            
     of reproducing the  data for the state's use. Consequently, for                                                            
     the  division  to  accomplish  its  mission  of responsibility                                                             
     managing  and encouraging development of the  state's petroleum                                                            
     resources   the   division  must   have  funding   to   acquire                                                            
     geophysical  data  from lands  other  than those  owned by  the                                                            
     state  and   to  provide  the  interpretive  computer   systems                                                            
     utilized to support the program.                                                                                           
     On-going project                                                                                                           
     Amendment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Pourchot  informed  the Committee  that  the  Department  could                                                            
benefit from the acquisition  of seismic data to protect the state's                                                            
interests.  He detailed  that with  the information  this  equipment                                                            
provides, the state would  be in a better situation to protect their                                                            
work on federal  and private land in addition to state  land as well                                                            
as have the ability to  protect public interest in public resources.                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Emergency Title Defense-Prince William Sound                                                                               
     $120,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 33970                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2002                                                                           
     Bureau  of Land  Management (BLM)  indicates  that in the  next                                                            
     year  they will finish  federal conveyances  in Prince  William                                                            
     Sound  without recognizing  many thousands  of acres of  state-                                                            
     owned   tidelands  that   were  pushed   up  during  the   1964                                                            
     earthquake.  This CIP provides funds to contract  for surveyors                                                            
     to comprehensively  determine  from air photos the state  lands                                                            
     that were  uplifted in Prince William Sound.  This will provide                                                            
     the state the information  needed to require that BLM recognize                                                            
     the  state's  entitlement   in its  conveyances.   Without  it,                                                            
     thousands  of acres in the Copper River Delta  and elsewhere in                                                            
     the Sound will be forever lost to the state.                                                                               
     One-time project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  explained  that the  process of land  rising from  the                                                            
sea, as has happened  in Prince William Sound after  the earthquake,                                                            
is called "evulsion." He  shared that, currently under state law and                                                            
state entitlement,  the state "is entitled to evuled  land." He said                                                            
that currently  the United  States Bureau of  Land Management  is in                                                            
the  process of  conveying  this  land to  Native  corporations  and                                                            
unless the  state demonstrates through  before and after  surveys to                                                            
BLM, the state risks losing  this land. He noted that the landowners                                                            
to whom the land  is going to do not particularly  want the land and                                                            
support  the state's  position. Mr.  Pourchot urged  that this  is a                                                            
"very pressing situation  as it involves substantial state ownership                                                            
and rights."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     State Parks Emergency Repairs                                                                                              
     $400,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 6843                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Deferred Maintenance                                                                                         
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2005                                                                           
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot stressed  that this, unfortunately, is  the most common                                                            
recurring item  in Department of Natural  Resources' capital  budget                                                            
each  year.  He  stressed  the  Department  of  Natural   Resources'                                                            
deferred maintenance  list is growing each year and  could easily be                                                            
$34 million  for the  state park  system. This  request, he  stated,                                                            
would address  the most  serious deferred  maintenance projects  and                                                            
emergency repairs in the  park system comprised of approximately 120                                                            
units. He informed  that Alaska's park system is the  largest in the                                                            
nation.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Fire Truck Engine Replacements                                                                                             
     $200,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 33955                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Equipment                                                                                                    
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2005                                                                           
     This  project   funds  the  continued  implementation   of  the                                                            
     Division's  five-year  fire  engine  redesign  and replacement                                                             
     plan.  Fire engine specifications  were last upgraded  in 1984.                                                            
     Statewide,  the division  responds to  an average of 400  fires                                                            
     per  year with  engines, mostly  in high-risk  urban  interface                                                            
     areas. Replacement  decreases reliance on old,  worn engines in                                                            
     areas where  life and property are at risk and  is essential to                                                            
     successful initial attack in population centers.                                                                           
     Phased project                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot shared that every year the department replaces some of                                                             
its oldest equipment. He said this phase is specifically to replace                                                             
fire truck engines.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
      Fairbanks Office Facility Roof Maintenance and Repairs                                                                    
     $200,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 30252                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Deferred Maintenance                                                                                         
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Fairbanks Areawide                                                                                               
     Election District: Fairbanks Areawide                                                                                      
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2003                                                                           
     The  Department  of  Natural  Resources  office complex  has  a                                                            
     leaking roof and other  urgent repair/maintenance needs. Damage                                                            
     to  equipment, documents,  and  the work  environment from  the                                                            
     roof  leaking  could  occur  at  anytime  requiring   emergency                                                            
     repairs, and affecting  employees and the public. The emergency                                                            
     power  generator  needs  repair/maintenance   to  avoid  winter                                                            
     breakdowns  and freeze-up  of the facility,  and the hot  water                                                            
     heater needs replacement.                                                                                                  
     Phased project                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  reported that this is  a relatively nice building  but                                                            
there are tin cans all  over the place because of leaks in the roof.                                                            
He informed  that  this is a  basic roof  repair job  that needs  to                                                            
happen.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Airborne Geological and Geophysical Mineral Inventory                                                                      
     $250,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 6852                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2000 - 06/30/2005                                                                           
     This   project  seeks   to  catalyze   private-sector   mineral                                                            
     development  investment. The  project delineates mineral  zones                                                            
     on Alaska  state lands that:  1) have major economic  value; 2)                                                            
     can  be developed  in the short  term to  provide high  quality                                                            
     jobs for  Alaska; 3) will provide  economic diversification  to                                                            
     help offset the loss of Prudhoe Bay oil revenue.                                                                           
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  detailed the recurring  capital project of  geological                                                            
surveys  of  approximately  a  thousand  square  miles  a  year.  He                                                            
informed  that it takes  about $500,000  to do  both the aerial  and                                                            
ground  surveys  of fieldwork.  He  shared  that  once the  data  is                                                            
completed, it is "incredible  how fast claim staking has occurred in                                                            
the wake" of the  new information. He continued it  has proven to be                                                            
very  valuable   to  the   mining  industry   and  "they  are   most                                                            
appreciative  of  it."  Last  year,  he  informed,   the  Department                                                            
received $250,000  to fund this project, which was  half of what was                                                            
needed. He urged  approval of this allocation in order  for the work                                                            
to be completed.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Snowmachine Trail Development and Program Grants                                                                           
     $200,000 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 33690                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Health and Safety                                                                                            
     Category: Transportation                                                                                                   
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2006                                                                           
     Snowmobiling   is one  of  Alaska's  fastest   growing  outdoor                                                            
     recreation   activities.  Funds  are  needed   to  develop  and                                                            
     maintain  trails  and trailheads  to  provide  for safe  riding                                                            
     opportunities  and  to educate  riders about  safety  concerns.                                                            
     Funds for this program  are provided by snowmobile registration                                                            
     fees   paid  by  Alaskans.  They   are  funding  this   program                                                            
     themselves  and support a registration fee for  these purposes.                                                            
     Funds are distributed  in the form of matching grants for trail                                                            
     and trailhead  development and  maintenance, safety  education,                                                            
     and  trail   identification.   Grants  are  to  organizations,                                                             
     businesses, agencies, governments, and individuals.                                                                        
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  informed that this is  general fund money.  Last year,                                                            
the Legislature  approved  the bill  pertaining  to registration  of                                                            
snowmachines.   He  specified  that   it  was  the  intent   of  the                                                            
legislation  that  the  fees  would go  toward  the  development  of                                                            
trailhead access  and other facilities for snowmachiners  around the                                                            
state.  He stated  this  would be  a continuation  of  that  program                                                            
whereby  again some  of  that registration  fee  would  be used  for                                                            
improvements for the benefit of those who are paying those fees.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Chena Pump Road Boat Launch River Access Purchase                                                                          
     $101,500 General Funds                                                                                                     
     Reference No: 33979                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Construction                                                                                                 
     Category: Transportation                                                                                                   
     Location: Fairbanks Areawide                                                                                               
     Election District: Fairbanks Areawide                                                                                      
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2002                                                                           
     Direct  public access  to the  Tanana River  near Fairbanks  is                                                            
     limited  to one site on Chena  Pump Road. This site  is a five-                                                            
     acre  Department   of  Transportation  and  Public   Facilities                                                            
     easement  on a larger 17-acre  Mental Health Land Trust  (MHLT)                                                            
     parcel.  MHLT is seeking  to develop its  acreage and  move the                                                            
     Department  of Transportation  and Public Facilities  easement.                                                            
     Under  the terms  of Department  of Transportation  and  Public                                                            
     Facilities'  easement,  there is NO GUARANTEE  for a  continued                                                            
     boat  launch. The  easement is  for a highway  rest area  only.                                                            
     Parks proposes  to purchase the 17-acres from  MHLT and improve                                                            
     the  existing  boat launch,  parking,  and  picnic facilities.                                                             
     Parks'  presence  through   its  volunteer  host  program  will                                                            
     improve security at the area for vehicles left overnight.                                                                  
     One-time project                                                                                                           
     Amendment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  explained that this  area involves the only  real boat                                                            
launch and picnic  area on the Tanana River. He continued  that this                                                            
general fund request  would allow enough money to  purchase the site                                                            
from the Mental  Health Lands Trust and to work with  the Department                                                            
of Natural Resources to develop an upgraded recreational site.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  wondered  if there was  money available  from any                                                            
other source such as from  Sports Fish licenses in the Department of                                                            
Fish and Game.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  indicated  that there  is money  available from  other                                                            
sources and  that is why  the request is for  a moderate amount.  He                                                            
stated that it  is a complicated title, but once the  Department got                                                            
the title,  then additional  funds  could be tapped  to develop  and                                                            
operate  the site  from other  funding  sources.  He mentioned  that                                                            
there  are   additional  funds  in   the  Statewide  Transportation                                                             
Improvement Project (STIP) FY 03 funds.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Senator Leman  clarified that the  correct appraised amount  for the                                                            
site is $101,500 as shown on page 52 of the report.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Leman asked  if the fifty  percent match  from the  Federal                                                            
Land and Water  Conservation Fund mentioned in the  report was still                                                            
available once the land was purchased.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot replied yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman  asked  to  review  the  dollar  figures  on  the                                                            
snowmachine trail improvements  project; specifically how much money                                                            
is raised each year from the snowmachine registration fees.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot replied  that Department of Natural Resources  does not                                                            
track that but the information could be obtained.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JIM STRATTON,  Director, Division  of Parks and Outdoor Recreation,                                                             
Department of  Natural Resources, testified via teleconference  from                                                            
Anchorage and  stated the money that the Division  of Motor Vehicles                                                            
expected to raise  this year is approximately $200,000.  He recapped                                                            
that the history of requests  for trailhead improvements has matched                                                            
what has  been raised each  year from the  snowmachine registration                                                             
fees.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson  asked  if  the  snowmachine   registration  fee  was                                                            
mandatory statewide.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot answered  that the "fairly modest fee"  was required at                                                            
the point of sale, statewide.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus informed  the Committee that  the remainder of the  requests                                                            
are non-general fund projects.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Recorder's  Office Equipment Upgrades and Records  Preservation                                                            
     $225,000 Receipt Services                                                                                                  
     Reference No: AMD33980                                                                                                     
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Renewal and Replacement                                                                                      
     Category: Public Support Technology/Service                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2002                                                                           
     Approximately  $150.0 of this  project covers the fourth  phase                                                            
     of a  project to reinforce  the infrastructure  of the  state's                                                            
     land records  system by continuing the replacement  and upgrade                                                            
     of  various  types  of  equipment  to  meet  and  ensure  basic                                                            
     operational  needs at fourteen  recording locations  throughout                                                            
     the state.  Approximately $75.0 of this request  will cover the                                                            
     second  phase of an ongoing project  to film historic  records.                                                            
     This  project consists  of the filming  of approximately  6,000                                                            
     original  books  filled  with  historical  recorded  and  filed                                                            
     documents, dating back to the mid-1800's.                                                                                  
     Phased project                                                                                                             
     Amendment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus noted that the  office "generally generates greater revenues                                                            
than it expends."  He spoke of the  need to film the books  of deeds                                                            
going back to  the late 1800's and other dated material  in order to                                                            
send them over to permanent  storage at Archives, and outlined other                                                            
components of the request.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  Minerals  Information at  Risk Program:  Mining  Claims                                                            
     Automation                                                                                                                 
     $700,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: 34095                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Information Systems                                                                                          
     Category: Public Support Technology/Service                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2003                                                                           
     To improve  public access to  public record systems,  to bridge                                                            
     related  state  and  federal  land  record  systems  that  have                                                            
     historically  been  isolated, to  reduce the  time required  to                                                            
     adjudicate  mining applications  and update land status  plats,                                                            
     and to deliver internet based mapping capability.                                                                          
     Phased project                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus explained that  the federal government has agreed to provide                                                            
funding  to automate  and put  online the  old card  system used  to                                                            
track historical mining claim records.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Agriculture Revolving Loan Fund Land Assets Disposal,                                                                      
     $100,000 Agricultural Loan                                                                                                 
     Reference No: 34109                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Renewal and Replacement                                                                                      
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2003                                                                           
     This  funding  will provide  for  disposal  of ARLF  assets  in                                                            
     Interior and Southcentral Alaska                                                                                           
     Phased project                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  stated that  this was the  final phase  of the Agriculture                                                             
Revolving Loan  Fund and this activity will dispose  of the last few                                                            
pieces of property  held by that fund. He shared that  eight parcels                                                            
in Delta  and  Fairbanks were  successfully  sold  in November  2000                                                            
generating  more than $1.8 million  that was put back into  the Loan                                                            
Fund account.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  National  Fire  Plan: Managing  Impacts  of  Wildfires  on                                                            
     Communities and the Environment [page not provided]                                                                        
     $5,638,000                                                                                                                 
          $3.46 million Federal Funds                                                                                           
          $2.178 million from Kenai Borough                                                                                     
     Reference No: 34112                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus shared  that after the recent  fire season in the  Lower 48,                                                            
the federal  government  decided  to expend  funds in  an effort  to                                                            
further prevention and conduct impact studies.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Post Entry Plant Quarantine Facility Establishment                                                                  
     $1.35 million Federal Receipts                                                                                             
     Reference No: 33983                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Construction                                                                                                 
     Category: Public Support Technology/Service                                                                                
     Location: Palmer (Palmer)                                                                                                  
     Election District: Palmer                                                                                                  
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2006                                                                           
     The Alaska  agriculture and horticulture  industries  have been                                                            
     requesting  the  establishment   of  a  Post  Entry  Quarantine                                                            
     Facility for over  twenty years. The desire for such a facility                                                            
     is based  on the simple  fact that the  present system  has not                                                            
     served  the needs in  Alaska. Importation  of prohibited  plant                                                            
     species  and those species with  special restrictions  can only                                                            
     lawfully  enter  the United  States  through the  present  USDA                                                            
     Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS).                                                                        
     One-time project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus read from  the Summary and Statement of Need  the details of                                                            
the request.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman, referring  to backup material that stated a federal                                                            
contract  would pay  for the  projected  annual operating  costs  of                                                            
$800,000, asked how long that contract would be in effect.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus was unsure how  long the federal funding would continue, but                                                            
stated  that  the  program  would  operate   until  it  stopped.  He                                                            
continued  that  if  federal  funds crease,  then  the  state  would                                                            
determine what to do with the facility.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
      Agriculture Plant Material Center Seed Lab Construction                                                                   
     $3,070,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                
     Reference No: 33952                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Construction                                                                                                 
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Palmer (Palmer)                                                                                                  
     Election District: Palmer                                                                                                  
     Estimated Project Dates: 08/01/2001 - 09/30/2002                                                                           
     The  Alaska State Seed  Laboratory is  a section of the  Alaska                                                            
     Plant  Materials  Center (AKPMC).  This  is a  state-owned  and                                                            
     operated  facility within the  Alaska Division of Agriculture,                                                             
     Department  of  Natural  Resources.   The  present  State  Seed                                                            
     Laboratory  is  not capable  of meeting  the  demands for  seed                                                            
     testing   and   technology   development.   The   facility   is                                                            
     undersized,  out of  professional code,  and under equipped  to                                                            
     meet present day technological requirements.                                                                               
     One-time project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus recapped the Brief Summary and Statement of Need for this                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Agricultural Land Sales for Agriculture Industry                                                                           
     $145,000 State Land                                                                                                        
     Reference No: 6887                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Mat-Su Areawide                                                                                                  
     Election District: Mat-Su Areawide                                                                                         
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/02/2000 - 06/30/2007                                                                           
     The  funding will provide  staff and  support services  to sell                                                            
     agricultural  land  in  Interior and  Southcentral  Alaska.  In                                                            
     addition  to supporting staff,  funds will be used for  survey,                                                            
     appraisal,  subdivision,   tract rehabilitation   and  cleanup,                                                            
     sales activities and sale follow up.                                                                                       
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus informed that this project would dispose of land with                                                                   
agriculture interests.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly asked for further explanation about the State Land                                                               
Income account.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus answered that this fund was set up last year and funds                                                                  
generated from the sale of state lands went into this account and                                                               
would be used as an appropriation account "for future sales."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman  referred to a reference on the  handout regarding                                                            
five of six  parcels that had been  sold for $992,000, and  asked if                                                            
that money  was now in the fund to  be used to fund this  land sale.                                                            
He inquired if  there was any "point in time" that  the money in the                                                            
fund might "roll into the general fund."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus replied  that  the $992,000  was put  into  the Lands  Fund                                                            
account and of that, $145,000  would be used toward this request. He                                                            
referred to SB  283 that specified when the fund balance  reached $5                                                            
million, anything  over that amount would automatically  go into the                                                            
general fund.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Historic  Preservation and Restoration  Projects-United  States                                                            
     Army Public Works Program                                                                                                  
     $600,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: 32550                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Renovation and Remodeling                                                                                    
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2000 - 12/30/2004                                                                           
     The  State Office  of  History and  Archaeology  is working  in                                                            
     partnership  with  the  Department  of  the  Army  on  historic                                                            
     preservation  planning  and restoration  projects. Restoration                                                             
     projects  include the World War  II National Historic  Landmark                                                            
     site at Fort Wainwright  in Fairbanks and the National Register                                                            
     of  Historic  Places  listed  Cold  War  Nike  Site  Summit  In                                                            
     Anchorage.                                                                                                                 
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     National Historic Preservation Fund Federal Grant Program                                                                  
     $1,250,000                                                                                                                 
          $1.2 Million Federal Receipts                                                                                         
          $ 50,000 General Funds Match                                                                                          
     Reference No: 6865                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 10/01/2001 - 09/30/2003                                                                           
     The National  Historic Preservation Fund is a  federal matching                                                            
     grant  project with a 60 percent  federal and 40 percent  state                                                            
     match.  It  provides  a  basic historic  preservation   program                                                            
     including  planning,  survey,  inventory, project  review,  and                                                            
     public   education.  The  federal/state   partnership   program                                                            
     created  in the National Historic  Preservation Act  requires a                                                            
     state  historic preservation  program to  meet basic levels  of                                                            
     professional   staffing  and   program  services.  Cooperative                                                             
     agreements  with  federal  agencies  and  grants  from  federal                                                            
     programs,  which do not require match, fund cultural  resources                                                            
     management projects.                                                                                                       
     On-going project                                                                                                           
     State Match required                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus recapped the provisions of these requests.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman inquired  as to  when the  Historic Preservation                                                             
Project was established.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Bus   replied  that   the  program  has   been  in  place   for                                                            
approximately  twelve years  and was funded  by a new federal  grant                                                            
each year.  He informed that the money  is appropriated to  a board,                                                            
and numerous  communities apply  to the board  for funding.  He said                                                            
that the Board  reviews the applications and the grants  are awarded                                                            
on a priority basis.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator Austerman asked  if historically this federal grant had been                                                            
in the $1.2 million range.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus replied  most of the grants had been in the  $640,000 range;                                                            
however  this coming  year,  the federal  grant  would  be going  up                                                            
considerably as  there is more money available on  the federal level                                                            
for this type of activity.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Austerman inquired  how the  general funds  match had  been                                                            
operated.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus responded  that the general fund match is  in the Department                                                            
of Natural Resources operating budget.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Mental Health Trust Land Development and Value Enhancement                                                                 
     $950,000 Mental Health Authorized Agency Receipts (HTAAR)                                                                  
     Reference No: 6853                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2000 - 06/30/2004                                                                           
     The  Trust Land Office  will contract  for services related  to                                                            
     the  enhancement  of parcel-specific  Trust  land and  resource                                                            
     assets.  Funds  will  be used  to facilitate  the  disposal  or                                                            
     development  of Trust  resources in accordance  with the  Trust                                                            
     Land Office's long-term asset management strategy.                                                                         
     On-going project                                                                                                           
     Mental Health Bill                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus explained that this is an annual request that is directed                                                               
by the Mental Health Board of Trustees.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Abandoned Mine Lands Reclamation Federal Program                                                                           
     $1,500,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                
     Reference No: 6855                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Health and Safety                                                                                            
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2005                                                                           
     The Legislature enacted  the Alaska Surface Coal Mining Control                                                            
     and Reclamation  Act in 1983  (AS 27.21 and 11 AAC 90).  One of                                                            
     the main purposes  of the act was to promote the reclamation of                                                            
     areas  mined  and  left  without  adequate  reclamation  before                                                            
     enactment   of   the  federal   Surface  Mining   Control   and                                                            
     Reclamation  Act of 1977, that  endanger the health  and safety                                                            
     of the  public and  that substantially  degrade the quality  of                                                            
     the  environment and  prevent the  beneficial  use of or  cause                                                            
     damage to land and water resources.                                                                                        
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus informed that this project provides federal funds to                                                                    
address hazardous abandoned mine sites. He continued that most of                                                               
the money "goes to private contractors" to remedy the situation.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Boating Safety-Federal Program                                                                                             
     $660,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: 32553                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Health and Safety                                                                                            
     Category: Health/Safety                                                                                                    
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates:07/01/2000 - 06/30/2005                                                                            
     The  goal of  the State  Boating Safety  Program  is to  reduce                                                            
     preventable  non-commercial  boating accidents  and  fatalities                                                            
     and promote  safe, enjoyable  boating in Alaska. Since  1990 an                                                            
     average  of 25-30 Alaskans  lost their  lives annually  in non-                                                            
     commercial  boating accidents.  This is more than 10  times the                                                            
     national  average and the highest boating fatality  rate in the                                                            
     nation.  State boating  programs are very effective at reducing                                                            
     these  numbers.  Since 1971,  recreational  boating  fatalities                                                            
     decreased  nationally by 30 percent  even though the  number of                                                            
     recreational  boats increased by 50 percent.  This funding will                                                            
     provide for boater education and program infrastructure.                                                                   
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  shared that these  funds allow the  Department to  "operate                                                            
the  Boating Safety  Program  and to  reduce the  preventable,  non-                                                            
commercial boating accidents" in the state.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  added that  this is the money  that was promised  when                                                            
the  Legislature  passed the  Boating  Safety legislation  that  the                                                            
Department would access  this funding source. He continued that this                                                            
was the first full installment of that funding.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Land and Water Conservation Fund Federal Grants                                                                            
     $1,600,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                
     Reference No: 32552                                                                                                        
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Construction                                                                                                 
     Category: Development                                                                                                      
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2005                                                                           
     Outdoor  recreation   opportunities  are  very   important  for                                                            
     Alaskans.  More than  any other  state in  the Union,  Alaskans                                                            
     recreate  outdoors. This  provides a  wide variety of  benefits                                                            
     including  improved physical and mental health,  activities for                                                            
     children  to  prevent  delinquency,   leadership  and  teamwork                                                            
     development,  and economic  opportunities  for individuals  and                                                            
     local communities.  LWCF is a 50/50 matching grant program that                                                            
     provides  funding to state and local governmental  entities for                                                            
     the  acquisition  and  /or development  of  outdoor  recreation                                                            
     areas  and  facilities  such  as  soccer fields,  campgrounds,                                                             
     tennis courts, boat  launches, hiking trails, picnic areas, and                                                            
     outdoor hockey rinks.                                                                                                      
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus  informed  that this  program has  been  available for  many                                                            
years and averaged  $500,000 annually until approximately  1995 when                                                            
the "funding  dried up."  He continued that  last year, the  funding                                                            
was about  $900,000  and it is  anticipated that  this amount  might                                                            
increase  to approximately  $5 million.  Mr. Bus  shared that  these                                                            
grants will go  to communities for local park development  and other                                                            
various things. He detailed the community application process.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     National Recreational Trails Federal Program                                                                               
     $710,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: 6854                                                                                                         
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Construction                                                                                                 
     Category: Transportation                                                                                                   
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2005                                                                           
     All  across Alaska,  Alaskans  rely on trails  for recreation,                                                             
     subsistence, and travel  between communities. These trails need                                                            
     constant  maintenance  attention to  ensure they  are safe  for                                                            
     passage and  to ensure that they remain open  and available for                                                            
     use.  Funds  will be distributed in the form  of 80-20 matching                                                            
     grants  for recreational  trail and  trailhead development  and                                                            
     maintenance,  and  for  education programs  relating  to  trail                                                            
     safety  and environmental  protection.  Grants  are awarded  to                                                            
     organizations,  businesses,  agencies,  and governments.  Grant                                                            
     applications are advertised  statewide in the spring and awards                                                            
     made to successful applicants the following February.                                                                      
     On-going project                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus briefly described the program.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Forest Legacy Federal Grant Program                                                                                        
     $500,000 Federal Receipts                                                                                                  
     Reference No: AMD34881                                                                                                     
     AP/AL: Appropriation                                                                                                       
     Project Type: Planning                                                                                                     
     Category: Natural Resources                                                                                                
     Location: Statewide                                                                                                        
     Election District: Statewide                                                                                               
     Estimated Project Dates: 07/01/2001 - 06/30/2006                                                                           
     The  Forest Legacy Program  provides  federal funding  from the                                                            
     USDA  Forest  Service  for acquisition  of  high-value  private                                                            
     forestland  that is  threatened with  conversion to  non-forest                                                            
     use.  In Alaska, we  are concerned that  private inholdings  in                                                            
     publicly owned forested  areas that are primarily used for fish                                                            
     and  wildlife  habitat,  outdoor  recreation   and traditional                                                             
     recreation  access  would be  converted to  non-forest use  and                                                            
     disrupt,  destroy, or degrade these important  public uses. The                                                            
     primary areas where  these types of conversions are probable is                                                            
     in  the state park  system. However,  the ability  to use  this                                                            
     program to protect  forested areas will not be limited to state                                                            
     park lands. This program is only for willing sellers.                                                                      
     On-going project                                                                                                           
     Amendment                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus briefly described the grant program.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus stated that this completed the Department of Natural                                                                    
Resources Capital Request Budget for 2002.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Green asked,  regarding  the  Forest Legacy  Federal  Grant                                                            
Program,  if there  was  a decision  making  process  in place  that                                                            
identifies the forestland properties.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Pourchot  commented  this is a  relatively new  program that  is                                                            
just now being assessed by the Department.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Jim Stratton stated  the Department is developing  an assessment-of-                                                            
need process  that is required  by the federal  government  in order                                                            
for  the state  to participate  in  the  program. He  informed  that                                                            
through  the assessment-of-need  process,  the  Department would  be                                                            
looking at  the locations  of the forested  areas in the state  that                                                            
the  Department  wants  to  include  in the  program.  He  said  the                                                            
Department would  then identify the specific criteria  through which                                                            
these properties would be nominated for this funding.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly thanked the presenters for their information.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Pete Kelly adjourned the meeting at 08:20 PM                                                                           

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